Jane Araf

Yeah. I mean, I think it's really important not to minimize what happens when somebody gets quote-unquote canceled over speech the larger public has decided is unacceptable, right? I mean, people are barred from certain social media accounts maybe. They maybe lose their job, maybe lose friends, are completely sidelined.

But what I'm hearing from a lot of people now who feel the chilling is not that the pushback is coming from the public. This is coming from the government. It isn't that they're getting canceled. It's that they're being told, if you use these words, if you have this viewpoint, if you use this speech, you're not going to get federal funding. You're going to face retribution.

But what I'm hearing from a lot of people now who feel the chilling is not that the pushback is coming from the public. This is coming from the government. It isn't that they're getting canceled. It's that they're being told, if you use these words, if you have this viewpoint, if you use this speech, you're not going to get federal funding. You're going to face retribution.

But what I'm hearing from a lot of people now who feel the chilling is not that the pushback is coming from the public. This is coming from the government. It isn't that they're getting canceled. It's that they're being told, if you use these words, if you have this viewpoint, if you use this speech, you're not going to get federal funding. You're going to face retribution.

You know, what we heard a lot of was self-censorship. Like before you even figure out what the consequences are, just try to get in line. So, oh, it looks like this executive order is saying all of this type of language will probably be unacceptable. Let me take climate change out of my report. Let me take any mention of woman, of non-binary, equity, inclusion, diversity, you know, things that

You know, what we heard a lot of was self-censorship. Like before you even figure out what the consequences are, just try to get in line. So, oh, it looks like this executive order is saying all of this type of language will probably be unacceptable. Let me take climate change out of my report. Let me take any mention of woman, of non-binary, equity, inclusion, diversity, you know, things that

You know, what we heard a lot of was self-censorship. Like before you even figure out what the consequences are, just try to get in line. So, oh, it looks like this executive order is saying all of this type of language will probably be unacceptable. Let me take climate change out of my report. Let me take any mention of woman, of non-binary, equity, inclusion, diversity, you know, things that

they feel they need to have in their research in order to continue it. You know, we spoke to one researcher who said, you know, if I can't look at the inequities, I can't do the work. But maybe that's the point. Maybe that's the point. And there was one woman who wouldn't even let us tape her.

they feel they need to have in their research in order to continue it. You know, we spoke to one researcher who said, you know, if I can't look at the inequities, I can't do the work. But maybe that's the point. Maybe that's the point. And there was one woman who wouldn't even let us tape her.

they feel they need to have in their research in order to continue it. You know, we spoke to one researcher who said, you know, if I can't look at the inequities, I can't do the work. But maybe that's the point. Maybe that's the point. And there was one woman who wouldn't even let us tape her.

You know, at first she was like, well, maybe you can distort my voice, and then she didn't want even that. And she said, I'm sitting here trying to get this FEMA grant, and I'm going through with a thesaurus – trying to look for a different way to say ecologist, trying to look for a different way to say – to talk about tribes because they work with native tribes.

You know, at first she was like, well, maybe you can distort my voice, and then she didn't want even that. And she said, I'm sitting here trying to get this FEMA grant, and I'm going through with a thesaurus – trying to look for a different way to say ecologist, trying to look for a different way to say – to talk about tribes because they work with native tribes.

You know, at first she was like, well, maybe you can distort my voice, and then she didn't want even that. And she said, I'm sitting here trying to get this FEMA grant, and I'm going through with a thesaurus – trying to look for a different way to say ecologist, trying to look for a different way to say – to talk about tribes because they work with native tribes.

And then she was like, I don't want to go on tape because I'm a dual citizen. And so I'm worried that if I say something and I'm coming back from Canada – she's a dual U.S. and Canadian citizen – There could be some problem because of what I'm seeing happening with visa revocations. Of course, she's a citizen, but she's still worried.

And then she was like, I don't want to go on tape because I'm a dual citizen. And so I'm worried that if I say something and I'm coming back from Canada – she's a dual U.S. and Canadian citizen – There could be some problem because of what I'm seeing happening with visa revocations. Of course, she's a citizen, but she's still worried.

And then she was like, I don't want to go on tape because I'm a dual citizen. And so I'm worried that if I say something and I'm coming back from Canada – she's a dual U.S. and Canadian citizen – There could be some problem because of what I'm seeing happening with visa revocations. Of course, she's a citizen, but she's still worried.

And so I think it's a lot of sort of getting in line before there are consequences.

And so I think it's a lot of sort of getting in line before there are consequences.

And so I think it's a lot of sort of getting in line before there are consequences.

But then we found some people who were like, nope. I'm going to stand up. The more I thought about it, the more outraged I became. We spoke to this woman, Karen Ortiz. She's an administrative judge at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. So, you know, she would be who you would go to if you had a problem at work. Maybe you faced discrimination and you wanted it redressed.