Jared Kushner

And in this case, Hamas has been a proxy for Iran, who wanted to obviously see the destruction of Israel, but also does not want to see the Israelis and the Saudis come together for a peace agreement.

In actuality, I don't think any of it is, but the Al-Aqsa Mosque is something that all of the Shia jihadists have used for years in order to justify their actions that are aggressive towards Israel.

So

This is something I'll maybe even take a step back and go through.

When I was working initially in my first year on the peace plan, I was doing a lot of listening.

And quite frankly, a lot of what people were saying to me didn't make sense.

And the reason why I was trying to figure out, they were talking about sovereignty over Al-Aqsa Mosque.

After the temple was destroyed, then there was a big mosque built there, and it's one of the more holy places in Islam now.

So the big thing everyone was saying is, what do you do with this land where you have a mosque built over a very big Jewish site?

I was hearing all of the experts, and I always say experts with quotes because only in Washington can you work on something for a decade and continue to fail, and then you basically leave and are considered an expert.

But that's one of the problems with Washington, which maybe we could talk about later.

But the notion here was I went and I said, let me try to understand what the issue is with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with the people, right?

I always felt the politicians were a little disconnected.

So I commissioned several focus groups, one in Amman, one in Cairo, one in Dubai, and one in Ramallah.

And I asked people, Muslims, what is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict about?

Mm-hmm.

And time and time again, the most popular thing that they said was that Israel was not allowing access to the mosque for Muslims to pray.

And what was interesting was, is that Israel's policy is to allow anyone who wants to come and pray peacefully at the sites to come and pray.

Sometimes they have security issues when there's provocations.

But by and large, since 1967, when Israel...