Jared Kushner

And there was a lot of resistance.

And I think part of why there was so much resistance was because

I think about it from my personal sense was that if I was successful with no traditional qualifications to do diplomacy, it meant that all the people with traditional qualifications in diplomacy didn't necessarily need those qualifications in order to be successful.

That same sentiment manifested itself in many areas in government.

I think that in the business world, it's outcome-oriented, it's results-oriented.

And, you know, what we would see in New York is there they would stab you in the eye.

In D.C., they would stab you in the back.

And it just became a whole different dynamic of how you work through these different areas.

So the answer is it doesn't have to be that way.

You just need the right courageous leader.

And that's why I'm so optimistic about what the future of America and the world could be if you have the right people in power who are willing to take on the right challenges and do it in the right way.

Yeah, it's always very challenging.

And especially when you're going against the grain of what's established, right?

We did something different to think that an old business contact that I had could then do it.

I mean, that's the type of thing that, you know, if the press knew what we were doing, they would have derided it and criticized it in every which way.

But that was one of the benefits of operating very much below the radar is that we were able to try all these different things.

And not all of them worked, but some of them did.

But that is what's amazing about the world, right?

This could be the biggest story on the front page of every paper, and they're inciting fear in everyone.

And it's not illegitimate fear.