Jared Kushner

I mean, there were missile tests over Japan.

I mean, you had a lot of...

very big challenges with that file.

And then all of a sudden we make contact, we go through negotiations to set a meeting.

There's a meeting between President Trump and Kim Jong-un.

And then all of a sudden there's a framework to try and move things forward.

And again, I think that there's a lot of possibility there for what could happen if it's worked in the right way.

We're all human beings, and people want to be successful, and people want to be good.

And you're right, too.

There's way more emojis involved in diplomacy than I ever would have expected.

Yeah, completely in every way.

I mean, that's an incredible book and it's a very entertaining read.

It has obviously a lot of good historical context on some of the key players, whether it was Anwar Sadat or Menachem Begin or Jimmy Carter and Cy Vance and a lot of the others who were involved with those negotiations.

And

The thing that I kind of took from that experience was just how personal it was.

And again, one of my favorite stories from that book was how Anwar Sadat, who was a big, big leader, he had a mystic who was, according to this book, again, history, I like reading it, but I always realize that you have to notice that this is just the perspective of a given author that's writing it.

But the way that they write this book was that he had an advisor who was a mystic, and the mystic was having a back channel with the Israelis.

And the mystic told Sadat, if you go to Israel and you make a speech at the Knesset, Bagan is ready to give you the Sinai.

And so he goes to Israel.

They set this whole thing up.