Jared Kushner

We've been using all of our ammunition in the Middle East.

We don't have enough ammunition to go to war over there.

And he says,

Let's not let that be too public.

Let's try to restock and come up with a plan.

And at the time, there was a lot of banter back and forth.

And I was able to, I got a call from a friend who was an old business contact who actually had done business in North Korea.

And he said, you know, I'd love to find a way to solve this.

And I was getting calls from friends at the time saying, I'm trying to go to Hawaii for vacation.

Should I not be going?

Is it not safe?

I mean, we forget the psychology of how intense that was at the time.

And then through that interaction, he called some of his contacts in North Korea.

And then we were able with the CIA to open up a back channel that ultimately led to the

the de-escalation, the meeting between Trump and Kim Jong-un, which led to a de-escalation.

So that was really the mindset, which was whenever there's a problem, just pick up the phone and try.

And I think President Trump had a very similar approach, which was let's give it a shot.

And he wasn't afraid to go after the hard ones too.

And I'll say one final thing on this, which is that in politics,

the incentive structure is just much different than in the real world, right?