Jared Kushner

In the sense that you have a hard problem, then if you try to solve a hard problem, the likelihood of failure is great.

Whereas in the business world, if you're going after a hard problem, we celebrate those people, right?

We want our entrepreneurs and our great people to go after solving the big, hard problems.

But in politics, if you try to take on a hard problem,

You have a high likelihood of failure.

You'll get a lot of criticism on your pathway to trying to accomplish that if you fail.

And then if you fail, it has a higher probability of leading to you losing your opportunity to serve.

And so it's just one of these things where people want to play it safe, which is not the notion that really was taken during the time that President Trump was in office.

I don't think it has to be that way.

And that's, I think, one of the great lessons from the time of the Trump administration.

He brought a lot of people from the business world into government.

The business people have a much different mindset than government people.

And there was a lot of resistance.

And I think part of why there was so much resistance was because

I think about it from my personal sense was that if I was successful with no traditional qualifications to do diplomacy, it meant that all the people with traditional qualifications in diplomacy didn't necessarily need those qualifications in order to be successful.

That same sentiment manifested itself in many areas in government.

I think that in the business world, it's outcome-oriented, it's results-oriented.

And, you know, what we would see in New York is there they would stab you in the eye.

In D.C., they would stab you in the back.

And it just became a whole different dynamic of how you work through these different areas.