Jared Kushner

And I really believe that you have to have a lot of faith because the lows and the highs are both

so extreme and unbelievable that I feel like those low moments in some ways allowed me to keep my grounding and to understand what was truly important in life for when I ended up going through those other moments.

Oh, 100%.

100%.

Definitely.

You know, you mentioned about power, money corrupting.

There's a great quote I heard a friend of mine say.

It's a guy, Michael Harris, who was one of the founders of Death Row Records.

And he was being interviewed recently, and they asked him about what happened with Suge Knight.

And his line was, you know, money just makes you more of what you already are.

Mm-hmm.

Maybe it didn't act in a way that I thought was always conducive to the objective.

So I think it's a very big problem that you have.

Whether it's something that's solvable, I think it's about having the right leaders and hopefully for the leaders, having good friends.

I mean, I'm still friends with a lot of the people.

I interacted with when I was in government.

And the number one thing I try to be to them is just a good friend.

I try to be somebody who they can talk about things with.

I don't go in trying to tell them what to do on different things.

And I think that that's a big thing is that people just need friends and they need conversation.