Jared Kushner

He's building a big city called Neom in the desert in a place where there really was nothing on the Red Sea.

And a lot of people were criticizing the ambition of the plan.

And I was sitting with him one night and I said, why are you taking on all these things?

You've got a lot of different programs, but what most politicians do is they set lower expectations and then they exceed the expectations.

And he looked at me without hesitation.

He says, Jared...

The way I look at it is that in five years from now, if I set five goals and I achieve five goals, I'll have achieved five things.

If I set 100 goals and I fail at 50 of them, then five years, I'll have accomplished 50 things.

And so it's a very different mindset as a leader.

The way I got to work with him was Saudi Arabia was a big topic in the campaign.

President Trump was basically saying during the campaign that they've got to pay for their fair share.

They haven't been a great partner in the region.

He's very critical of Saudi.

And then during the transition period,

I was asked by several friends to meet with a representative of Saudi Arabia.

I said, I don't want to meet with them.

But I came over and I met and they said, well, we want to make changes.

And I said, well, you have to make changes to how you treat women.

Then women couldn't drive.

They had guardianship laws.