Jase Robertson

He wouldn't even refer to himself because he probably was embarrassed about him as a young man.

But he gets it now as an older man because now he figures out when Jesus had that comment about the 12 thrones, there's one text where he says, you'll sit on the 12 thrones.

That's when he says that the renewal of all things.

And so in their minds, I'm sure when they heard that, they're like, ooh, I get my throne?

So that's all these greatness questions.

What they didn't realize was that the throne of Christ is down below.

I mean, his throne is one that serves, and he was down on his knees.

And I look at it even in my own life as Lisa and I have gotten older, and doing this movie project really made us think about it.

I mean, like your grandkids, they think you're great, but only because you love them and you serve them and you do anything.

And it's like it totally flips.

It's not like you're the boss of people.

It's like you want to, you know, it just kind of naturally fits.

Have you noticed that?

It was so opposite.

We did in our Hillsdale course on ancient Christianity,

I learned something I didn't know.

I always learn stuff I didn't know.

But I didn't know that Caesar Augustus, who was the emperor during the same era, they were making him to be a son of God because he was the first emperor to be declared.

And there's all these similarities.

Well, that was all done by triumph.