Jasmine Sun

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80,000 Hours Podcast · #248 – Jasmine Sun on what the people building AI really believe · 21 Jul 2026 podcast

Or for people who wanted to regulate how much kids had access to technology for social conservative reasons, they're like, and we should do it because of AI.

And so I'm already seeing some of the candidates who we expect to be running in 2028, whether it's like Mark Kelly or Ro Khanna on the Democratic side, maybe Josh Hawley on the Republican side.

They're already sort of announcing these like big, bold AI action plans.

because they see AI as a new issue that Americans are extremely scared about, and that creates an opportunity for them to define their campaign.

And so because they're all gonna be running these ads and talking about these AI companies, because AI companies are also like, frankly, not very sympathetic to most Americans right now, I actually expect populist backlash and public salience of AI

to increase quite a lot as these campaigns kick into motion because politicians have an incentive to talk about AI more in order to justify their policy proposals.

The other thing that I think about is these more diffuse and volatile forms of backlash, such as political violence, as we've sort of seen against these actors, such as even things like

sort of these witch hunts.

So like in creative communities among artists and among writers, there are kind of informal cancellation witch hunts against any writer or artist who is suspected of using AI, who partners with an AI company, et cetera, et cetera.

One thing that I think about is in the 20th century, we had a big wave of factory automation where a lot of the factories went from primarily humans on factory lines to humans managing machines more so.

And part of the way that this was negotiated, such that there was not a massive backlash and there weren't waves of violence by workers who were being automated, was that these factories were mostly unionized.

And so when they were mechanized, the people coming with the machines would meet with the union leaders, sit down at the bargaining table and say, okay, first of all, we're going to pitch this to you as it actually makes your job safer.

You guys are really worried about workplace accidents.

And this is going to reduce that.

So it gets at this issue that you guys are really worried about.

We're going to actually tie wage increases for workers to the increased productivity of these factories.

And also, you had just had this new social contract that FDR introduced to introduce better working legislation in general.

But more importantly, I think that there was a bargaining table and there were these sort of mediating institutions of the unions between the people who were impacted by automation and the people introducing the automation.

One really interesting thing I think about today is that

there are no mediating institutions of that form.

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