Jasmine Sun

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80,000 Hours Podcast · #248 – Jasmine Sun on what the people building AI really believe · 21 Jul 2026 podcast

some AI skeptics.

I actually think that it's a really great time to be working in and around AI, and maybe especially if you are concerned with safety, concerned with societal impacts, concerned with some of these broad public issues.

And that's partly because as I've started to engage a little bit more with the policy and the political conversation, it's clear to me that the

Overton window in one policy and two actually philanthropy both seem to be expanding extremely quickly.

Like literally between my trip to DC in early February and late March, I noticed in a month and a half how some of the same people who are saying like, yeah, I don't think policymakers even believe that these things are more than stochastic parrots.

We're starting to go, oh, it looks like a lot of people in my constituencies and my voter base are really worried about AI.

Guess I got to start taking this seriously.

I think that Mythos was a big update.

I think that Cloud Code was a big update and Cloud Cowork.

I think that for people – for a lot of these more legacy institutions in the policy world or in the philanthropic world or in civil society who have spent kind of years shutting their eyes to the possibility of advanced AI progress –

that is starting to fall away.

People really are starting to take AI seriously.

And what that means is we're actually in this kind of funny scenario where there are a lot more politicians looking for ideas of what to do about AI than we actually have compelling ideas and solutions.

So I think for anyone who wants to work, for example, in AI policy, who is willing to actually branch out and like, say, build relationships with labor groups or like environmentalists or whether it's on the right or the left or whoever, and spend some of the time to get some of these people who are brand new to AI, but who actually really want to do something on it because they believe it's important and they believe it could be politically helpful, to actually get some like...

good, serious ideas at their hands.

I just like the number of times that I've had conversations with congressional staffers, very influential people in Congress who are saying like, yeah, like my representative really wants to do something on this.

They're just still in the process of learning what to do.

And so I think the potential for impact in policy is really high.

And then the second one I mentioned was philanthropy, of course, which I think a lot of folks are aware of.

There's tons of money, both individual donations from people who are about to get really wealthy off these IPOs.

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