Jasmine Sun

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80,000 Hours Podcast · #248 – Jasmine Sun on what the people building AI really believe · 21 Jul 2026 podcast

very impressionable young people from going into a field that they otherwise would.

And that's to say nothing of obviously the policy conversation in DC where Doomer has been employed as an extremely effective insult.

I think one important thing actually also about the Doomer insult is that it's coming mostly from the tech right that has pretty effectively tied Doomerism and AI safety to quote unquote like woke identity politics and previous attempts to regulate technology by alleging discrimination, civil rights concerns, labor concerns, etc.,

And so the folks like Marc Andreessen and David Sachs, who are using the Doomer label most loosely, they are building this perception on the American right in particular that to be interested in AI safety is the same as being a woke regulator who wants Facebook to censor all non-liberal content.

I think that folks who are working on technical safety work, there are still a lot of opportunities and a lot of support, both like socially, financially, et cetera, professionally, professional ecosystems towards doing that kind of work.

I think that there's a well-developed enough ecosystem of AI safety organizations.

There's the fact that actually most people who work on capabilities at the labs really care that their models are aligned.

It's also very hard to sell unaligned models.

It's sort of

with the business incentives of these companies that you can get made fun of a little bit by Marc Andreessen in order to do work that you think is really important, really well respected by a lot of other technical people in your community.

One thing that I sometimes tell folks who are not in AI is what's really notable is actually a lot of the researchers who have made the biggest breakthroughs in AI, people like Jeff Hinton are some of the ones...

who are raising the alarm the most on AI safety being an important thing to work on.

And I think that affords working on technical safety quite a lot of status, at least within those technical research communities.

I think where I start to worry a little bit more is on...

is on types of work outside of that core safety work, which is the technical safety work, which is more well-funded.

Again, maybe it's just because I'm a journalist, but like, you know, I think a lot about how much incentive there is for people to go into these fields that are where one, I don't think that you can do them inside a lab.

So like, I don't think that you can do especially credible either journalistic work or policy advocacy work if you are employed by a lab.

you are going to be seen as a shill, you are sort of correctly seen as a shill, you are basically doing marketing and lobbying for that company.

And so if you completely 100% align with that company's overall position, then like, okay, great, go do that work because you'll help your firm win.

But for the most part, I really wonder and worry about how many positions there are for like

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