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Jason Calacanis

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

So the reason why I think we're all breathlessly trying to pit OpenAI versus Anthropic is because we want some drama, but the reality is these are very different businesses, and Nick found this tweet, which I thought was really interesting.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Because even at the absolute highest level,

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

These things are sort of presented in an apples to oranges way.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And there's like these very basic issues of rev rec that are fundamentally different.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And you may say, well, who cares about revenue recognition?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

While the people that are trying to write the headlines that say one is overtaking the other and this or that sort of miss the fact that they're in completely different businesses, which is guided how they even think about growth.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And so if you normalize these two businesses, what you would see is open AI is still the overwhelming revenue generator in this space.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And that over time, anthropic is catching up.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And so this is this little diagram of

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

that tries to explain this.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

OpenAI is three quarters consumer subscriptions and a quarter API.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And Propic is almost the exact opposite.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

OpenAI is used by consumers overwhelmingly.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And Propic is used either directly or through things like GitHub and Cursor.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

OpenAI, as a result, has a very conservative way of recognizing revenue.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Anthropix, they sort of recognize gross tonnage as their revenue.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And so when you start to hear these things about like, oh, this thing is at 20 billion and OpenAI is at N billion, they're two totally different conversations.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And I think right now it's more about the press cycle of trying to create clicks than it actually is about the underlying quality of each business.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Both are incredible businesses as this demonstrates.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And by the time it goes public,