Jason Holland

No, I think we did have a little bit of banter, but I'm not sure he remembers.

He would have been...

Yeah, I'd say so.

He's probably trying to say he didn't hit it, but he definitely hit it.

Yeah, I was hopeless as a young fella, eh?

It took a while for me to really mature and understand that you had to work pretty hard to play footy.

Yeah.

At varsity, I was hopeless.

And, like, I played for Manawatu, and I loved the game.

Didn't train overly hard, you know?

Yeah.

No, sorry, I meant hopeless with my mental and physical education.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I've always had lots of skills because I've always had a footy ball in my hand since I was a young fella, but as an athlete, I was pretty average.

We just had the mates, you know.

Yeah.

I suppose I sound like an old codger here, but, you know, you didn't, when you got home from school, you went and played with the board, didn't you?

Yeah.

And back in my day and we had a group of neighbourhood crew that were going, whatever ball it was, you'd throw it around.

So.