Jason Holland

Yeah.

But I suppose just wasn't smart enough to get to the next level.

I think that's what got me through.

Yeah.

That's what made me, like, I remember when I first went to Munster, I spent a lot of time, I went over there as a 10-12 and ended up playing 12 outside Rog, outside Ogaro.

Yeah.

And I think that those times, being able to bounce off each other and I'd play outside him, so we sort of,

We talked and we lived the game a lot of the time and that's always sort of been maybe my thought process, not my body, got me a step ahead sometimes.

Yeah.

Seeing things a bit quicker and making good decisions and being able to throw that pass versus there's a bit of space in front of you and

I probably can't take that whole.

A little bit with you in the last case.

Yeah, definitely.

Yeah, because I left school and went straight to Parmy.

And then that was when the Central Vikings came in, actually.

I moved back to the NACI then because I think Frank Oliver brought in Stephen Bishop, I think.

Oh, yeah.

And so I went back to the NACI for two years then.

And that was good.

It was good.