Jason Holland

I'm thinking about what I'm seeing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, and how teams are trying to play.

Um, yeah, that's, that's what happens.

Yeah, no, sure.

They walk out of the room sometimes.

But, yeah, no, you can't help it, can you?

Yep, yep, did all that.

So, you know, you do, you think about it because I look at all the youngsters, I remember you and me having a chat around this around when you took up coaching and family and how the juggle and the reality is that everybody in the family is going to have to make some sacrifice, aren't they, around little parts?

Um, and I see lots of coaches coming through, you know, I look at some of the, the Canes coaches now trying to juggle everything and, um, yeah, it's, it's massively important, isn't it?

That you, you get the support and the buy-in from, and I've, I've definitely got that from Ange and, and from the girls.

Um, but yeah, it's part of it, isn't it?

That you have a little bit of, you get a little bit of sacrifice, but you get some, so many ups from it as well.

You know, we've got to travel the world and be an island.

I get my heaps of mates over there and.

and get around the place and, and do, do whatever we wanted to do, um, within the rugby world.

But at the same time, you're moving your kids.

Yeah.

Um, but you know, everything is a,