Jason (Jason Calacanis)

Right, and actually that sort of started to change in the Attitude Era.

I remember in the 80s when I was growing up, Hulk Hogan was like this superhero type, you know, baby face.

And then, you know, I weirdly always just rooted for the heels.

And then Stone Cold... You're more fun.

Yeah, it's more fun.

And then Stone Cold Steve Austin came along and he kind of was a heel, but all of a sudden everyone was like rooting for him.

Like, what happened there?

And like, did something change in American society or did the product get more sophisticated?

It's called a bump, Jason.

I'm not ready to take some bumps here today.

Oh, let's go.

We'll do an all-in fitness challenge.

Now, Paul, let me ask you.

So you had a blueprint in your mind.

I remember, you know, I've seen you interviewed before, and when you were coming up in the business, you were learning from guys like Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair, and you were a student of the game, and then you incorporate that into your character.

Your character was called the game.

It then hit another level.

So you clearly, you know, you were leading the development of that character

and I think got over to another level when somehow the character and yourself somehow, you hit some sort of synergy.

Yeah, joined.