Jason Meno
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first heard Oct 2024
last heard Oct 2024
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Yeah. And really, I think any activity that can pop you out of that type of blind... Distract you, right? Yeah, to get you out of it for a little bit, to give you some space.
Right, yeah, it could be anything, really. It could be, yeah, I mean, it could be watching, maybe watching TV, I'm not sure. Again, these are things we'd have to control and experiment for to see, like would watching TV for 10 minutes or watching a YouTube video for 10 minutes have a similar effect?
Another way I'm thinking about it right now is sometimes whenever you're thinking about solving problems in your life,
And a lot of the time the answer comes to you when you're out on a walk or you're in the shower or you're doing something completely unrelated to the very thing that you've been thinking about before, that there seems to be a subconscious type of chewing on the problem that our brain does when we allow our brain to take care of it on its own.
So that's also another potential pathway that might be happening here, which is we've given you a negative thought.
On average, yeah.
The distribution does show more changes happening. Like there are some people that are starting to push down even further in their belief in upsetness. So it does, it's minor, the effects, but I hear what you're saying. On the practical level, the meditations were guided.
So every minute or so, there was at least some voice coming in to provide extra guidance to help push them away from maybe some rumination they might be doing.
Yeah, in all five meditations, you were basically, your hand was held 99% of the time. Mm-hmm. And so there there wasn't too much time to to get too sucked into your negative thoughts. Although one piece of information to give here, which is after all these meditations, I did ask people, like, what was your experience like? What what what happened to you here?
And generally, everyone was quite appreciative of. like getting the chance to try meditation again after a while, and many don't meditate for a whole hour like this and got to experience these different things.
But there was one thing that someone said that stuck with me that could be also an explainer, which is they said that the moment they saw their negative thought again and their negative feelings again, and the moment they saw that there was a little bit of a reduction in it, their belief that it could change because of meditation now improved more.
So their expectations of meditation helping them might actually be going up as they meditate. The moment they saw that very first shift in their thinking, that seemed to have a bit of a snowball effect because it boosted their belief. Like, oh, it changed it a little bit. Oh, interesting. Oh, maybe this is going to work. And then that acts as a kind of catapult into more change.
Someone mentioned that that was their experience, which to me makes sense.
Yeah.
My my first reaction is like, well, what's your do you like pistachio ice cream? Because some people really like pistachio ice cream and some people really don't like pistachio ice cream. So to me, it's a little bit about like what you like, what do you believe is going to be helpful and useful? You know, there's a lot of there's a great number of people out there who really.
truly believe you know meditation is a complete waste of time we saw that in the data too like the people who like almost half of the group dropped out and did not do this exercise and that group certainly had the belief that this was it was going to be difficult it was going to be a waste of time It was going to be, uh, that it wasn't going to be that helpful.
So those beliefs I think are important. And that's really my big takeaway from this experiment as well, is that the beliefs you have about what you're going to do to feel better matters a lot. Cause that's going to change your motivation. That's going to change whether you're going to follow through with the exercises you're doing. Um, so to me, I think that's a critical component to this and
Yeah. Yeah, that's that's recently after doing this meditation experiment, I was only meditating like maybe once every few days or so. I wasn't doing it that often and really not that intensely and that that seriously. But after this meditation experiment, I kind of wanted to dive into it more myself.
And I was like, OK, well, let me like start capturing my own negative thoughts and seeing how they work. And for me personally, meditation doesn't budge my negative thoughts like hardly at all. Like for me personally, it just doesn't really affect them. But there are lots of other side effects that I got from meditation. Like I've definitely felt way more chilled out. Yeah, I've seen that too.
Yeah. Well, thanks for that. Oh, you see that in me? Oh, yeah.
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