Jason Wachub

So stick with it.

I love it.

It's the same thing with altitude.

Whenever we go to the mountains, for example, once a year, maybe we go to Colorado or Salt Lake where you are, the altitude kicks my butt.

And it takes me probably a week.

And then I'm leaving anyway.

I don't go anywhere that long.

I finally start to adjust.

So same situation.

And equally as beneficial as we think about our well-being.

flexible right in terms of less thermally flexible let's say but with a little bit of heat adaptation they can handle those hot days better on that note you mentioned athletes and you've spent time with elite athletes what can we learn from how they train using heat to gain a competitive edge what what can us normal folks learn from these people

So speaking to that contrast,

At the gym I go to, you see lots of folks do hot cold.

They'll go in the steamer sauna, then they'll go to the plunge, then they'll go back to the steamer sauna, then they'll go back to the plunge.

They'll do cycles of this.

What's your view on hot-cold, and then we'll segue to cold, which you've been, I think, critical of.

But we'll start with hot-cold.

jump in the lake or whatever but as far as like a specific protocol it's not it's not super well supported but it feels good so people do it well i don't do the hot cold but i'll i'll do the cold and we'll segue to your criticisms of cold but my understanding is if you are doing the hot cold always finish on cold not hot finishing on hot could be potentially dangerous

Oh, why?

Too much of a shock.