Jason Wilk

growth plans, going through the ups and downs of being an entrepreneur that gave me such a such an amount of leverage on learning for the next business.

And Dave was able to just get off of the races so much faster because I've already had success there.

And I do find that in many cases, second time founders are much more successful.

At least their second business is much more successful than the first one.

Never question my self-belief.

I think part of it, I grew up playing golf and that's a very self-sufficient sport.

You have to be willing to go do your own practice.

It's not a team sport, very self-driven.

I think a lot of the characteristics carry over into business and entrepreneurship and it's up to you to practice and get better.

And, uh, sort of a lot of weight is on your own shoulders.

And so I think I, I sort of developed some pretty thick skin from,

20 years of competition within golf.

And when I wasn't good enough to go pro that was, which was my original goal is be pro golfer.

It was a fairly easy transition to taking that same level of determination and grit into business.

Maybe.

Just work on short game.

Yeah.

Avoid mistakes and practice.

Definitely.

Well, first and foremost, I never started the company thinking it was going to be a public company.