Jay Jack

And again, that's kind of not a fair comparison because that would be that emergent thing.

And when we're talking about negative reinforcement, a good, a good portion of the time we're talking about playful negative.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'll do that with people all the time when we're playing.

We'll play Hot Hands.

And I'll do this too.

I'll, I'll even, I'll even talk about this and I'm going to have to go in a sec.

I got to cut us off in a minute.

But like this thing of like negative reinforcement, low level, high level type shit discussion I have with people and we'll play hot hands and I'll go, okay, here we go.

Let's play hot hands.

And at first I'm cracking, you know, and they're laughing and giggling and they're having fun.

I'm like, is this an aversive experience?

They're like, no.

I'm like, okay.

And we'll play.

And I'm really, we're playing and they're getting good and they're dodging it.

And I'll start knuckling it instead of slapping it with my knuckles.

Now I'm missing them because they're playing well.

And I'm like, and I'll go, now, did you notice that I turned the level up?