JD Vance

That doesn't make any sense.

No one thinks that makes any sense.

Democracy is messy.

I mean, democracy is about contestation of ideas.

It's about plurality.

It's about people having different truths, actually.

Now, fundamentally, how society lives together

civically in those contestations is obviously quite tricky.

But I think that if we play too much on this disinformation card, we're taking responsibility away from ourselves to actually create a narrative that inspires people to vote and to believe

in democracy and democratic institutions.

On the institutional part, I think that we can talk about institutions as these abstract things, but institutions are also about people.

We just heard this point about untrustworthy people, and we talked about things in the United States like checks and balances, which aren't written anywhere, but are customs, and one man

Donald Trump literally came in and just took that all away.

But when I see this, when I look at this.

Okay, crossing the border illegally is not a crime?

So why are they being sent back and saying that they're breaking the law?

I don't think we're going... Misdemeanor is not a crime.

So misdemeanor is not a crime?

So I'll be in charge at all then, if it's not a criminal act.

So it is crime.