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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

Well, I think one of the criticisms that I get from the right is that I am insufficiently committed to the capital M market. And I am a capitalist. I believe the market economy is the best way of provisioning goods and services and coordinating people across a very complex society.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

But I'm not one of these people who says every intervention in the market, for example, trade, which I'm sure that we'll get into. If you apply a tariff on an import good, there are a lot of people who say, well, that is a violation of some market rule.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

But I'm not one of these people who says every intervention in the market, for example, trade, which I'm sure that we'll get into. If you apply a tariff on an import good, there are a lot of people who say, well, that is a violation of some market rule.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

I think one of the things that I take from my Christian principles and Catholic social teaching specifically, whether you agree with the specific policies of our administration, is look – The market is a tool, but it is not the end state, is not the purpose of American politics. The purpose of American politics should be to encourage our citizens to live a good life.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

I think one of the things that I take from my Christian principles and Catholic social teaching specifically, whether you agree with the specific policies of our administration, is look – The market is a tool, but it is not the end state, is not the purpose of American politics. The purpose of American politics should be to encourage our citizens to live a good life.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

And part of that is good, dignified work. Part of that is having a high enough wage that you can support a family. That very much flows through my Catholicism. To be clear, I'm not saying it has to flow. and that the people who don't share my faith can't worry about those things. But that is something very much that I take from Catholic social teaching.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

And part of that is good, dignified work. Part of that is having a high enough wage that you can support a family. That very much flows through my Catholicism. To be clear, I'm not saying it has to flow. and that the people who don't share my faith can't worry about those things. But that is something very much that I take from Catholic social teaching.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

And it certainly influences my views on economics. I mean, obviously, I'm pro-life. I care about the rights of the unborn. That very much flows from my Christian perspective. And there's a lot of stuff, right? When we talk about family policy, you know, we talked about this a little bit with the Holy Father today. But, you know, look,

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

And it certainly influences my views on economics. I mean, obviously, I'm pro-life. I care about the rights of the unborn. That very much flows from my Christian perspective. And there's a lot of stuff, right? When we talk about family policy, you know, we talked about this a little bit with the Holy Father today. But, you know, look,

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

American society, I think, has become way too hostile to family formation. I think it's probably true across the West. In some ways, maybe the Europeans are even worse off than we are. But Europe and America have been quite bad at supporting families over the last generation. And I think you see that in the fact that fewer people are choosing to start families.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

American society, I think, has become way too hostile to family formation. I think it's probably true across the West. In some ways, maybe the Europeans are even worse off than we are. But Europe and America have been quite bad at supporting families over the last generation. And I think you see that in the fact that fewer people are choosing to start families.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

That's something else that I think a lot about because of my faith. So it would be easier to say, what does your faith not cause you to think about? Because...

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

That's something else that I think a lot about because of my faith. So it would be easier to say, what does your faith not cause you to think about? Because...

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

You know, when you really believe something, and I do believe it, not saying I don't have doubts, I think everybody does, but when you really believe something, it ought to influence how you think about the way that you do your job, the way that you spend time with your wife and your children. It just necessarily informs how I live my life.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

You know, when you really believe something, and I do believe it, not saying I don't have doubts, I think everybody does, but when you really believe something, it ought to influence how you think about the way that you do your job, the way that you spend time with your wife and your children. It just necessarily informs how I live my life.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

Yeah, yeah. This is, I mean, we probably talk all morning about this, but... We'll try not to. It's interesting. So let me give you a very specific instance of the tension. So yesterday after the mass, okay, so... I am a Catholic. I believe that he, meaning Pope Leo, is actually the shepherd of 1.4 billion Catholics.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

Yeah, yeah. This is, I mean, we probably talk all morning about this, but... We'll try not to. It's interesting. So let me give you a very specific instance of the tension. So yesterday after the mass, okay, so... I am a Catholic. I believe that he, meaning Pope Leo, is actually the shepherd of 1.4 billion Catholics.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

And so there are things like bowing before him, kissing the ring that are signs of respect for a spiritual father, okay? But on the world stage, I'm not there as J.D. Vance, a Catholic parishioner. I'm there as the vice president of the United States and the leader of the president's delegation to the pope's inaugural mass. And so, you know, it was interesting.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

And so there are things like bowing before him, kissing the ring that are signs of respect for a spiritual father, okay? But on the world stage, I'm not there as J.D. Vance, a Catholic parishioner. I'm there as the vice president of the United States and the leader of the president's delegation to the pope's inaugural mass. And so, you know, it was interesting.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

Some of the protocols about how I respond to the Holy Father were much different than how I might respond to the Holy Father. You might respond to the Holy Father purely in your capacity as a citizen. And so that's just like one very concrete observation about the tensions.