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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

I understand there may be disagreements about the judgments that we made here, but there's just something that it's hard to take serious when so many of the people who are saying we made a terrible error here are the same people who made no... protests about how this guy got into the country in the first place or what Joe Biden did for four years to the American southern border in that meeting.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

And he's also said explicitly he would follow the law and he would follow American courts on this. So I don't think it's unreasonable for the president to say, here's this thing I'd like to do so long as it's consistent with the law.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

And he's also said explicitly he would follow the law and he would follow American courts on this. So I don't think it's unreasonable for the president to say, here's this thing I'd like to do so long as it's consistent with the law.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

So, look, I understand the point, especially as it's, you know, what the president says or what I say is refracted through the lens of an American press that, you know, I have my complaints with. But just what did the president... Again, you know, I'm going to defend my boss here. What do you say? I'm gonna think about doing this.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

So, look, I understand the point, especially as it's, you know, what the president says or what I say is refracted through the lens of an American press that, you know, I have my complaints with. But just what did the president... Again, you know, I'm going to defend my boss here. What do you say? I'm gonna think about doing this.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

only in cases of the very, very worst people, number one, and number two, only if it's consistent with American law. I think that if that was the headline that was reproduced, the president is considering sending the very worst violent gang members in America to a foreign prison, so long as that is a legal thing to do, I don't think that would inspire so much passionate resistance.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

only in cases of the very, very worst people, number one, and number two, only if it's consistent with American law. I think that if that was the headline that was reproduced, the president is considering sending the very worst violent gang members in America to a foreign prison, so long as that is a legal thing to do, I don't think that would inspire so much passionate resistance.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

It's said that we understand facilitation to mean something. Of course, the Supreme Court or any other court can further illuminate that. But this point is interesting to me. So there are two things about my boss, and I never reveal private conversations, two things about the President of the United States that I am extremely fascinated by.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

It's said that we understand facilitation to mean something. Of course, the Supreme Court or any other court can further illuminate that. But this point is interesting to me. So there are two things about my boss, and I never reveal private conversations, two things about the President of the United States that I am extremely fascinated by.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

One is he has better instincts about human beings than anybody that I've ever met. We can talk about that, but I'll set that to the side. Just sort of almost a bizarre level of intuition about people.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

One is he has better instincts about human beings than anybody that I've ever met. We can talk about that, but I'll set that to the side. Just sort of almost a bizarre level of intuition about people.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

The second, which I think is very underappreciated and it motivates the foreign policy in Ukraine and Russia, it motivates the things that he said about the Middle East, it motivates really a lot of them, is he has this sort of humanitarian impulse. I've heard the president say,

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

The second, which I think is very underappreciated and it motivates the foreign policy in Ukraine and Russia, it motivates the things that he said about the Middle East, it motivates really a lot of them, is he has this sort of humanitarian impulse. I've heard the president say,

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

Well, you know, maybe if we sent the very worst people to different places, then American prisons would be a little less violent. Because as you know, American prisons are not a good place. They're not very good at rehabilitation. Sometimes people go in there for not, you know, I think we overstate how much people go to prison for truly petty crime.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

Well, you know, maybe if we sent the very worst people to different places, then American prisons would be a little less violent. Because as you know, American prisons are not a good place. They're not very good at rehabilitation. Sometimes people go in there for not, you know, I think we overstate how much people go to prison for truly petty crime.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

But they go in there for something that should at least give them an opportunity for a second chance. They end up getting stabbed while they're in prison. that there is just something fundamentally inhumane about sending a very violent person to another prison outside of the country. I don't buy that. I don't think that's what motivates the president.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

But they go in there for something that should at least give them an opportunity for a second chance. They end up getting stabbed while they're in prison. that there is just something fundamentally inhumane about sending a very violent person to another prison outside of the country. I don't buy that. I don't think that's what motivates the president.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

And again, that's a separate question from whether it's legal, which the president's been very clear he would follow the law.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

And again, that's a separate question from whether it's legal, which the president's been very clear he would follow the law.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
JD Vance on His Faith and Trump’s Most Controversial Policies

So I want to answer your question, but I want to give some context here and back up a little bit because I do think that there has been a little overconfidence from the economic class and from other watchers of this policy that They know what Donald Trump doesn't, that we're sort of motivated by chaos or stupidity or something else.