Jean Luo

And I was like, that's cool.

But like, I'm actually looking for something serious.

So like, if you're not interested in that, then like this isn't the right fit for me, you know?

And so I think,

just being clear from the beginning she was like oh okay like i wasn't expecting that from a 24 year old but like if that's if that's what you want to do like uh you know let's let's see how this goes and i think it was really important for me to just say that up front and be clear clear about that so i just think the more people skip the games and get straight to like actually what they're looking for what's important to them uh and can communicate that in like a loving and positive way i think that forms the foundation of a strong relationship

I think it really depends what we're talking about.

I think there are so many different parts of design.

At the core of design is really the way that something works.

And the foundation of the way that something works, in my opinion, is really the philosophy behind it.

What are you trying to achieve?

And I think that's what makes design different than art.

Right.

Like art is, you know, whatever I want it to be.

It's me expressing myself.

Right.

But it design is really expressing a point of view or expressing an idea or trying to provide a service.

And so design really has an objective in a way that art doesn't necessarily.

Some art certainly may, but design, I think there's almost always a real objective behind it.

And so for me, it's about understanding what is a product or a service or a new icon, like what is it really trying to achieve at the end of the day?

What is really the purpose of whatever it is that we're making?