Jeff Grant

Yeah.

And I said, everything I own is in two valises, you know, two duffels in the back of my car.

That's my clothes.

And...

I don't know where I'm going to go.

I have no money.

I don't know where I'm going to sleep tonight.

And now I'm going to meetings in Greenwich because we had moved to Greenwich, an apartment in Greenwich after we sold the house.

And Greenwich is like pretty high rent district, right?

So three guys came up to me after the meeting and said to me that you can stay with me.

And so for the next year and a half, until I went to prison, actually, I stayed in guest rooms and on people's sofas as basically a person without a home.

My wife and kids lived in an apartment.

Right.

And every penny I had went to that.

But in exchange for like walking in these guys' dogs and making sure their lawns got mowed and things like that, I had a place to sleep.

And I had a lot.

Um, and in some ways it was like, it was great.

But also like simple.

And, and, and you're like, and like, I didn't have to worry about all those things like mortgages and car payments.

And it was just,