Jeff Grant

And then I started rehab volunteering at criminal justice organizations.

And I was working with people who were in diversion programs, and I was working with people who might have otherwise gone to prison, but they had drug habits and things like that.

And I was kind of like a volunteer house manager.

And there were shakedowns and there was all kinds of, you know, and I was running groups.

And I said, this is, I feel great.

This is what I want to do for the rest of my life.

This is like, this is what I want to do.

And the third organization I volunteered for, even then, they asked me to join their board of directors.

So I'm a couple of years out of prison at that point.

And they want someone like me on their board of directors.

They want someone who has lived experience.

And I joined the board of directors of Family Reentry, which at the time was a large criminal justice organization in Connecticut out of Bridgeport.

And I'm thinking, wow, I really have like a path here.

So I went to the pastor who was at the church that Lynn and I were going to.

And because I'm Jewish, we went to temple on Friday nights and on Sunday mornings we went to church.

And so we were kind of like really into this kind of AA, spirituality, religion thing.

And I went to the pastor and I said, I don't know what to do with my life.

I'm trying to figure it out.

And he looked at me and he said to me, I think you should go to seminary.

I think you should go to divinity school.