Jeff Grant

And I said, what's that?

Right.

And he explained to me, it's where people go to learn about faith and they become ministers.

They become, you got to go to divinity school.

Well, dude, first I'm Jewish.

So I don't even really know what he's talking about.

And I said, well, why would I want to do that?

And he said, look, if you go to a progressive seminary or progressive divinity school like Harvard or Yale or Union Seminary in Manhattan or one of those, it's basically about social justice.

But it can continue kind of your trajectory of where you were from being a lawyer.

And you can really do a lot of good for society.

You know, you're not just kind of like being buried in a halfway house kind of thing.

And I said, all right, let me look into it.

And I applied.

And I did apply to Union Theological Seminary, which is up at Columbia University in Morningside Heights in Manhattan.

And it was the first time anywhere outside of an AA meeting I had to actually write my story down.

I had to tell them all about my felonies and what happened and my path and everything.

And they accepted me.

So...

In 2009, I started at Union Theological Seminary, and I went there full-time for three years.

And when I graduated, I got a Master's of Divinity and became a reverend.