Jeff Grant

Can we be your outreach ministry here?

And they say yes.

But what the pastor says to me, he said to me, look, but you need to prove to me that there's actually a market here.

You know, are people going to actually sign up for this?

So he basically counsels me and he said to me, I think you should take this thing on the road and find out if there's a market.

So for the next six months, we hit conferences.

We're doing sermons all over the East Coast.

We're out there and we're getting this incredible response from people who are like basically hiding behind their blinds.

who are afraid to go out in public.

They've been kicked out of their clubs.

They've been kicked out of their social communities.

Their kids are being ostracized.

And in this weird way, we're giving them a voice.

White-collar criminals.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

And now they're starting to connect with us and we start to build this... Community.

This community around it.

So in 2016...

what happened was we decided to start this white collar support group and this, and, but everyone's spread out all over the country.