Jeff Grant

And so at the time it was the precursor to zoom.

I think it was go to meeting.

And we said, we're going to start it online and see what happens, see if people will come on.

And our first meeting, we had four people.

But it was just like a Zoom meeting now.

There's four people on the screen.

And it was like, as soon as we started talking, we realized all of us had the same story.

All of us were going through the same things.

And it started to build.

And then one magazine found out about it, and then another.

And there started to be a lot of articles, and people started to find us.

It's building steadily.

At that point, it wasn't really self-sustaining, but I'm no longer working in the church, and I'm pretty much doing full-time at trying to build this ministry when this nonprofit that I was on the board of directors is having some financial problem.

There's a fiscal crisis in Connecticut, and they asked me if I could step off the board and become their CEO.

And I said, you know, if you're going to ask a white-collar criminal to be your CEO, you've got to know what you're getting involved in.

I mean, like, the donors may have a problem with this.

And the Department of Corrections might have a problem with this.

You're not on probation.

No, no, no.

I'm off probation at this point.