Jeff Grant

So...

They say, yeah, we want you to do it.

And they hire me.

And for three years, I become the CEO of this large criminal justice organization that has 100 plus employees and is very well thought of in the criminal justice community.

And it's crazy.

Right now, it's not so crazy because there's a lot of people who kind of go into those positions now, not necessarily white collar, but people who've been to prison who are in these positions now.

But this was like before the big movement where they would allow people with lived experience to take on senior roles in these criminal justice organizations.

And there I am doing it.

And I'm doing it for like two, two and a half years.

And we're still doing this ministry.

And I realized that what people really need is they don't just need a minister.

They just don't need spiritual support.

What they really need is lawyers that they can trust because the lawyers are, you know, you've worked with lawyers, right?

You know, it's like they have no idea what we're going through.

And I know from experience now with a lot of these lawyers that they're really not providing for their clients what the clients really need.

You know, maybe they're representing them through sentence, but they have a very poor track record.

most of them.

And, and then these people are, they're just like, they're just sent off to prison and they come home and they don't know what to do.

And the lawyers have not prepared them and nobody, nobody has any information.

So I decided, listen, what I'm going to do is I'm going to try to put my application in to get reinstated to the law, which is not easy.