Jeff Grant

I'm already a lawyer.

So we cut, we take a clip from it and, and I send it out to maybe 20 of my best friends, just the clip.

Right.

And everybody knows what it means like right away.

And, and with that,

I shifted from being just the reverend who's running this support group to a lawyer who can then basically expand the ministry

into things that people really need somebody to trust and who their lawyers would give respect to.

And I could really not just change their life spiritually or have them change my life, but also I could really help them in the trenches.

And so that was about three and a half years ago.

Right after that,

Right after that, I got a phone call from a reporter at the... Because all of a sudden, then there were articles about how, like, the white-collar lawyer who got his law license back is now representing people doing white-collar.

And I get a phone call from a reporter at the New Yorker magazine.

And he said, we have a slot open for a fast-track article.

Do you guys want to be in the magazine?

Yeah.

Are you kidding?

The New Yorkers like about as high as you can get.

Right.

And he said, all right, so we're going to do all the interviews.

We're going to do everything.