Jeff Grant

have a meal, you know, and, and I, you know, I, I take a lot for granted again.

Now it's, you know, I, I'm, it's stunning sometimes just, I can, I could forget, I could forget that I'm, I'm home for prison 17 years.

So I, you know, it's like, it could be a distant memory for me, but because of all these guys I work with, you know, that keeps it green.

It keeps it fresh.

That's the stop and smell the roses is real.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

I hope this is helpful for somebody.

Well, at this point, there's probably three.

I mean, to reach me as a lawyer, it's grantlaw.com.

And the ministry and the support group are prisonist.org.

But now, because we have a conference coming up, we actually own whitecollarconference.com.

That's an easy one to remember, whitecollarconference.com.

And we're so looking forward to this conference.

And because just to bring the gathering of the tribe and to be able to treat ourselves with respect and dignity and demand that other people do too, you know, so we're doing everything right.

We had it

branded properly and we hired the right people.

And we're really doing it the right way because no one's ever done this before.

There's never been a conference by people who are white-collar justice impacted, for people who are white-collar justice impacted.

Lots of conferences from lawyers and fraud examiners, but never one by us and for us.

So, you know, we're doing it with respect.