Jeff Guinn
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard 14 Sep
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And when the possibility for surprise was entirely lost, tried surprise anyway, both sides settled in and there was bound to be some kind of horrific ending. It just happened to take seven weeks. So people tend to buy into one side or the other without realizing both sides were guilty here.
Die Branchen der Davidier gehen bis in die frühen 1840er Jahre zurück in Nordostamerika. Es gab einen selbstgeklagten Propheten namens William Miller, der die Bibel gelesen hat, ein paar Kalkulationen seiner eigenen Erfindung gemacht hat und erklärte, dass Genesis endlich das Ende aller Dinge werden würde, das Ende der Tage.
Jesus kam zurück, wie er es in dem Buch der Revelation versprochen hat, und beurteilte die Quicken der Toten, irgendwann in 1844. He gave one date when it didn't quite work. He gave a second date that didn't quite work. But he'd already convinced hundreds of thousands of Americans that the Bible was the literal truth and this last book in the Bible was coming to pass.
His followers, even when the end didn't come as he predicted, still thought he was correct. In general, he just misinterpreted the date. And one offshoot of what was called the Millerites was the Seventh-Day Adventists, which became one of the fastest growing religious organizations, faith organizations, in America and even part of the world.
We know them today mainly as the people who say the Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday. But it's also true that they preached, Jesus is coming, only the very faithful are going to survive. It's all there in the Bible, read it. One of the offshoots of the Seventh-Day Adventists, and this always happens when you have one extreme belief, then for some it's not extreme enough.
You take it another step. And a washing machine salesman in Los Angeles decided that he understood the truth, that God was going to send his son and 144,000 angels to basically cleanse the world, choose the followers who are going to survive, So, this is Viktor Haltev. He was a Bulgarian immigrant, came over in 1930, right? Right, came to Los Angeles, sold washing machines to make his daily bread.
and taught Sunday school for the Seventh-Day Adventists. But he decided that the Seventh-Day Adventists were not being strict enough. They were not following the Bible specifically. And so he and some hundred or so followers, looking for a place where they could go, because they were certain they were going to be among the chosen. They had to have a place. When Jesus came back,
When what they called the Death Angels started going around killing everybody who wasn't a real believer, the true believers, the 144,000 of the New Testament, had to have somewhere to gather. And they chose Waco, Texas, not because Waco was the second Garden of Eden, because you couldn't find land any cheaper in the United States and for good reason than outside Waco, Texas.
They settled there and they called them Sie waren die Räume des Herrn. Sie waren die Räume.
Richtig, die Glaubwürdigen werden an der Basis von Carmel zusammenkommen. Aber seit die Glaubwürdigen für Victor Haudivs Follower nicht alle in Israel kommen werden, They simply established Mount Carmel in Waco. I mean, clearly that was the Lord's design, or at least what they believed.
Yeah, Vernon Howell, before he comes to what has evolved into the Branch Davidians at Mount Carmel in Waco, is basically incapable of leading a one-man parade. He is the ultimate Texas teenage loser. He's dropped out of school. He likes to hunt. He likes to read comic books and he likes to fix cars. Main thing is he's preoccupied with sex.
He manages to impregnate a very young teenage girl, which is in his family tradition, because his mother was in the seventh grade when she got pregnant with him. That's broken up. He's broken hearted. He goes to live with his mom and becomes immersed in the Seventh-Day Adventist Church in East Texas and comes to believe that God is speaking to him. Not always, but that God has his hand on him.
Just like Victor Howdiff in Los Angeles generations before, young Vernon decides the Seventh-Day Adventists aren't being strict enough. He particularly believes that the Bible is being written about things that are happening today, not just way back in the past. And there must be some place, some religious group, where current modern day prophets lead.
Not the old folks in the Bible, but the ones who now are that version, that iteration. Mm-hmm. He hears about a group in Waco, about 120 miles south, led by a woman prophet named Lois Roden. And Lois Roden leads the Branch Davidians, the name they've taken now, because she claims to have had direct communication with God, that God has sent an angel to her. Wow. Wow.
dass das Ende, wie es in der Revelation erzählt wird, sehr bald kommt. Und das wird der Gruppe sein, die irgendwie involviert ist.
People come and go. In an odd sense, it's not unlike, and I'm not using this in religious terms, but in terms sociologically. As the old Manson family back in California, people drift in, Most of them drift back out. But a few remain and become hardcore. And in this case, you'd have maybe 120, 130 people.
But you touch on the most important thing, the context we need to understand why they do what they do in 1993. And it is simply this. Everything they do, from the food they eat, to the time they get up, to the way they discipline their children, ist alles basiert auf der Interpretation der Bibel, was Gott ihnen sagt, was sie tun. Sie haben einen Term. Wir sind in der Botschaft.
Wer nicht glaubt, der ist nicht in der Botschaft. ist nicht einer der Erwachsenen. Das bedeutet, wenn Jesus zurückkehrt, und er wird jederzeit kommen, wenn du nicht in der Botschaft bist, bist du nicht einer der Menschen, die gerettet werden. Das bedeutet, du bist einer der Feinde. Du gehörst zu Babylon. Das ist die Meinung, die sie haben, und die Vernon komplett darin fällt.
Darf ich dir das beste Beispiel geben? Ich habe Mount Carmel-Survivoren interviewt. Und einem Mann und einer Frau glauben sie immer noch an David Koresh, Vernon Howe. Sie glauben immer noch, dass alles passieren wird. Und sie glauben immer noch, dass die Bibel ihnen sagt, was sie tun sollen.
Einer von ihnen hat mir gesagt, dass sie in Mount Carmel lebte, mit David Koresh und vier Kindern, ihren vier Söhnen. Eines Tages hat einer ihrer Söhne einen Grashopper getötet. Also hat sie ihn dem Grashopper gegessen. Warum? Weil in dem Buch von Leviticus, in der Bibel, es sagt, man kann ein lebendiges Ding nicht töten, außer es für Essen zu benutzen. Wow.
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