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Jeff Guo

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Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

A catastrophe bond is basically a way for insurance companies to sidestep the reinsurance industry, to get reinsurance not from reinsurance companies, but from a much broader pool of people, from investors.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

And here we should take a minute to explain how these catastrophe bonds or cat bonds actually work from the point of view of the investors.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Basically, it's like making a loan to the insurance company.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Investors might put up $200 million and the insurance company hangs on to that money for a couple of years.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

And in the meantime, pays the investors a bunch of interest.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Then, after a couple years, the investors get their original $200 million back, plus all of that interest.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

So with cat bonds, the investors are taking on a major risk.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

They could lose all their money with one big catastrophe.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

This is where Karen's models come in.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Her models made this market for cat bonds possible because they could show investors exactly what risks they were taking on.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

But for some investors, the weirdness of cat bonds, that was kind of their appeal.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Back in the 2000s, Ethan Powell was a manager at a multi-billion dollar investment firm based in Dallas, Texas.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

And there's one big reason why investors like Ethan chase these kinds of alternative investments.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

In fact, it's a very traditional reason.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

The goal is diversification.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Don't put all your eggs into one basket.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Actually, Ethan, of course, has this alternative metaphor.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

But Ethan is like, well, what if there's a recession?

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

All those stocks might go down all at the same time.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

So for Ethan, a really good alternative investment is something that is so unrelated to the rest of the economy, where even if the entire stock market crashes, at least your alternative investments are doing OK.