Jeff Lash

And then the market changes.

So I think that growth mindset and that ability to kind of continue looking forward rather than explaining why we are where we are, using that energy to figure out how to improve it, I think is probably the biggest difference.

Yeah, I think the Apollo 13 example you gave there, a lot of people always focus on the expression of think outside the box.

It's like, no, no.

Yes, yes.

But what can you do inside the box that no one's thinking of?

And what can you do with what you have that makes just a huge difference if you –

We're recording this during the Winter Olympics.

I've got a great Olympic story I heard yesterday.

So I'm sure I'm going to get the details wrong, but the message over there.

So the skeleton, right, which is that you're on a sled headfirst going down the track.

So the American team and the Canadian team, I guess, years ago, like trained together, they were going to be training together.

The Americans go to Canada and they bring this, you know, they had millions of dollars of R and D and all this aerodynamic equipment or whatever that they were.

And they were just, uh,

And a big part, like 50% of success in the Skeleton Illusion bobsled is the start.

Like if you can get a good start going, that sets you up for success.

And then the rest of it is just steering.

The Americans were beating the Canadians off the start.

And so the Canadian coach apparently said,

Um, there was no way we can beat them doing like trying to compete with them because they have some better equipment, their equipment, aerodynamics, whatever.