Jeff Pearlman

So the thing I found on TikTok is actually telling stories kind of resonates the same way you tell stories.

But a lot of people, I'm just saying we live in a culture where the attention span is eight seconds and they're on.

I know you guys see this.

It just can be very frustrating.

You know, I sat down with his sister, Setsua, in New Orleans, and she doesn't do many, almost any interviews.

And she told me something early on.

She's like, she said, I went to therapy years ago.

And the first thing I told my therapist, the first thing I told my therapist is we had rats running along our floorboards.

And she was talking about when they grew up in Baltimore and the poverty of Baltimore.

And they had the poverty and the pain that Tupac went through.

I always knew thug life Tupac, I get around Tupac.

Growing up without a father, growing up in deep, deep, deep poverty, growing up with a mother who was a crack addict.

The pain that informs his music explains everything about him as an artist is the pain.

And I just think people don't understand the trauma that he went through.

And I just dove deep into his trauma.

I hung out with the crack dealers in Marin City who taught him sort of about life, you know, beyond life.

It was just a real eye-opening experience for me.

A official total of 652.

Whoa.

I mean, I try.