The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Blowed Out (feat. Jeff Pearlman and Leon Cote)
22 Oct 2025
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What insights does Jeff Pearlman share about his book on Tupac Shakur?
You never want to be on the cover of Insane Magazine. It got debacled. I love Insane Magazine. Long time subscriber. Jeff should write a book about El Cool JJ. When you go into Tupac's life, what are you expecting, Jeff? And how were you surprised in ways that the reader might be surprised by?
Wait, Dan, I just have to say, because you played that clip, around the time Emmitt Smith was on Monday Night Football, I appeared with him on an ESPN segment because I had a book come out about the 90s Cowboys. And he actually kind of lit into me about the book. And this was in the middle of him doing Monday Night Football.
And I had so much ammunition that I could have pulled out that I actually was running through my head. And I just said, OK, like I held back. And I want to thank you guys, all of you, one and all, for playing that. I know you didn't do it on my behalf, but that was a beautiful moment for me and my family.
So you walked away from the exchange from an angry Emmett Smith, and you've been haunted all these years later that you weren't able to say the things you meant to as comebacks?
I'm just going to tell you that promoting a book is very stressful, and that may have been the salt bath that I needed right there. So thank you for taking me to the spa and giving me that.
Why is it stressful if you've poured so much work into this? You're getting all the applause. You're getting to talk with great facility about subject matter that you know better than just about anybody. Why is it stressful?
It's stressful. Number one, you don't know if the book is going to sell. Number two, to be honest with you, it is way outside my comfort zone as far as I know how to promote a sports book. I know how to come on the different sports shows, but I don't I don't have inroads in hip hop. I don't have inroads in rap.
There are a lot of hip hop outlets, podcasts, et cetera, that you need to promote a book on. And I it's just it's a lot harder than promoting a sports book for me. I'm just being honest is a lot harder to promote.
Well, I heard you the other day on a hip hop station and I don't know how much resistance you're being met with when you write a warts and all Tupac book and you're walking into a lot of black environments as somebody who's the white guy.
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Chapter 3: How did Jeff Pearlman gather information for his book on Tupac?
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Don Libetard. John, can you rate my Al Pacino from that billiard scene in Carlito's Way if I do it for you? I think it's pretty good. Yeah. Stoogatz. You think you're big time? Well, you're going to die. Big time. That is on my infamous scale of 1 to 10. That's a 7.6. Solid. Good job, Dan. Good job. That's a suey nominee right there. That's really good.
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All right, I'm gonna do five, I'm gonna do it in order. Damn it. Okay. Number five, I found the EMT, he'd never been interviewed before, who got to Tupac when he was shot at Quad Studios. There's always been rumors that Tupac shot himself in the ball, because one of his shots, he got three shots, one in the head, one in the hand, one in the testicles.
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Chapter 4: What surprising stories did Jeff uncover during his research?
I'm going to have to tell the very bridge version of this, but there's a song. Do you guys know the song? Some of you, Brenda's got a baby, but yes. Okay. So Brenda's got a baby. Tupac was filming the movie juice and he, um, he's reading the New York daily news outside his trailer in New York city.
And there's an article called cries in the night about a 12 year old girl who was raped by a cousin, delivered the baby on the bathroom floor, threw her baby down a trash heap. Tupac reads that article, goes into his trailer, writes the song, Brenda's Got a Baby, that becomes Tupac's first really well-known song.
I thought it would be amazing to try and find the baby who was thrown down the trash heap. I work with a genealogist who called me one day and said, I think I have a number. I reach out to this guy crudely via text. His name is Davon Hodge. I go to Las Vegas. We sit down. He, in fact, was a baby who was thrown down the trash heap, and Brenda's got a baby.
After he was thrown down, he was adopted by a family in Las Vegas. So I saw him in Vegas. His parents had died recently. So we did an ancestry.com search. And they all came back to this public housing unit in Brooklyn, New York. He has this grand reunion with his family. They show him the place where he was thrown down the trash heap. They're like, oh, they say, do you know Tupac?
He's like, of course. They're like, do you like Tupac? I love Tupac. We think you're the baby from Brenda's Got a Baby. His family tells him this. Sheesh. It's this amazing moment. Wait, it gets crazier. I say to my genealogist, it would be amazing. My genealogist is named Michelle Sully. She's amazing. It'd be awesome if we could find the mother.
She's like, well, that might be hard, but blah, blah, blah. She gets a number one day. She calls this woman. She says, by any chance, is this Jeanette? Who's this? My name is Michelle. I'm working with the writer Jeff Perlman about a book on Tupac Shakur. By any chance, did you have a baby when you were 12 years old? She starts screaming. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Do you know where my baby is?
Do you know where my baby is? She's screaming and crying. Michelle says, yeah, we do. We found him. She goes, oh, my God. Oh, my God. I need to get home. I need to get home to Newark. I live in Newark. Well, where are you now? I'm at a concert. What concert?
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Chapter 5: What challenges did Jeff face while promoting his book?
I'm going to see the Red Hot Chili Peppers tonight. Where are they playing? They're playing in Las Vegas. She met her son that night.
No way. Holy shit.
That is a holy shit story.
Look at him, and then he drinks from the mug like Kermit. Look at him, because he knows he nailed that story. He knows he nailed that story. It is a good story. Do you have a best theory on how Tupac died?
Yeah, but it's not sexy. You guys saw it. It was the Mike Tyson, Bruce Seldon fight. After the fight, Tupac is in the MGM Grand. He's with a guy named Trayvon Lane, a death row guy, a mob pyro guy. They see Orlando Anderson there. Orlando Anderson was a Compton Crip who had recently gotten in a fight with this guy, Trayvon Lane. Trayvon Lane points it out, says, that's Orlando Anderson.
That's a guy who stole my chain to where he says, which guy? That guy right there. Tupac walks up to him, punches him in the face. All the death row guys pounce. I interviewed Orlando Anderson's closest friend, the guy who was punched. And he said, there's no way Orlando Anderson could come back to Compton having gotten beat up publicly by a rapper, like by a rapper. He just couldn't.
Later that night, Orlando Anderson is driving around looking, looking, looking for Tupac. Chewbacca just randomly is driving down the street, which should night hollering out at women along the strip in Vegas. Orlando Anderson is like, that's him. That's him right there. And they pull up on him and they shoot him.
And it's not even a sexy story because everyone wants a grand puffy or big conspiracy. The truth of the matter is he punched the wrong person at the wrong time. And that guy happened to be a member of the Compton Crips and got a revenge killing and killed him.
You're reporting that as fact, it feels like. And I don't think that I don't. But that's not that is not fact. I've not heard that reported as fact.
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Chapter 6: How did Tupac's upbringing influence his music and persona?
It's if you want NBA every single night.
Every single night. But if you're saying, hey, I can't afford it. All I have is basic cable. You're getting NBC. You're getting ESPN. And you're getting more than enough. And ABC games. You're getting way more than enough. The word streaming should not be in anyone's lexicon. Right now, the NBA is back. And it's back on big-time television. Well, until football comes back.
I want to talk to you guys about how you're viewing some of this stuff. But just my wife just this last week decided I have to get control of this cable bill. I want to know what you guys think or know you're paying monthly, because I do believe that this is such a sprawling thing now.
My wife was alarmed when she realized what we're paying for as we're changing our cable package and more alarmed when I said and get raised baseball. She didn't understand why I was doing that, but I'm like, make sure that we have Tampa Bay Rays baseball. Can you just get Rays baseball? What is the amount? What is the number? Do you guys know?
What is the highest number I can give you to shock you? Because I was surprised about what I'm paying a month once I find out. And there was some overlap. She's trying to get rid of some of the overlap and the places where you get ripped off because you have multiple same subscriptions. Yeah. This is what we're going to do. All right, Dan. So first of all, you have obviously regular cable, right?
Or whatever the equivalent of regular cable is, right? So you get TBS, TNT, all those channels, right? You get HBO. I know you get HBO, right? You got, do you have? I have all the movie channels.
He's got Apple.
All the movie channels, all of them. Even the movie channels?
Everything. You have all the movie channels? Yes. You have those kind of movies? You pay so much. How often do you watch those?
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