Jeff Snider

What do you think, John?

So do you think on the NATO side, now that we're looking at OPEC, on the NATO side, no one's ever left?

A lot of people are saying, hey, Trump's threatening to leave.

He's been threatening to leave for a long time.

One of the most important charts, I don't know if you guys have seen this chart or not.

Rob, if you want to pull this chart up, Humberto, Connor, if you can send this chart to Rob, it shows from the moment Obama wasn't president to today, how many NATO members started paying their minimum 2%.

I don't know if you've ever seen this.

It's from 2011 to 2025.

It shows...

that at first it was only two or three that were paying their minimum 2%.

Conor, Humberto, if you can text it to him.

Humberto's working on it, Rob.

You're going to get the text any minute now.

And it goes from two, three, three, three, four, three, five, nothing changing under Obama, under any of the previous presidents.

And then all of a sudden, Trump gets in,

And then that three becomes a four.

It becomes a five.

This is by far the most important chart to show because this leads to something.

Rob, have they sent it to you yet?

Not yet.