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Jefferson Fisher

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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

But women still gaslight women, right?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

I was reading some research here that says multiple studies on emotional abuse in heterosexual relationships show women report higher rates of gaslighting and coercive control than men.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

Men do report gaslighting too, but less frequently and usually in different forms.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

And as it relates to workplace data, surveys from management and organizational psychology show women are more likely to have their competence questioned, their memory doubted, or their experience dismissed.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

women in male-dominated fields report the highest rates of gaslighting and women of colour report even higher rates of being told their perception is wrong or that they're misinterpreting things.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

Sounds like that tracks.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

And also in medical settings, women are less likely to be believed about their symptoms.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

Women's pain is underestimated.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

Women get later diagnoses for multiple conditions like heart disease and autoimmune disorders, ADHD and autism.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

And the list goes on and on and on.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

Do you know what?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

I've hired thousands of people over the last decade, and I have to say, sometimes it's difficult to understand the plight of someone else when you haven't lived their experience, like you haven't been a woman or whatever.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

It's very difficult.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

So you kind of just have to take them for their word sometimes if you've not lived it yourself.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

Or you can look at data or whatever else.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

And I do have to say that I have experienced –

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

male executives who were extremely dismissive of their female peers in a way that was 100% inconsistent as it relates to genders.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

What I mean by that is I can think of several male executives over the years who I observed were

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

dismissing or diminishing or not giving the woman in the room the same credit really for no other reason than she was a woman.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

And so it's a very real thing.