Jefferson Fisher

It's the same for the U.K. and litigation. So what we do is we advocate on behalf of other people.

It's the same for the U.K. and litigation. So what we do is we advocate on behalf of other people.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Yeah, what I say, the words that I give give me the difference between somebody getting their peace of mind back or losing everything.

Yeah, what I say, the words that I give give me the difference between somebody getting their peace of mind back or losing everything.

So I grew up while other kids were maybe playing when they got home. I got picked up and taken to my dad's deposition because my dad was the only one who could get me at that time. And so I sat in the corner with a yellow notepad doodling while he is finishing the rest of his deposition. Or I'd go to... Watch his trial. I saw lots of closing arguments.

So I grew up while other kids were maybe playing when they got home. I got picked up and taken to my dad's deposition because my dad was the only one who could get me at that time. And so I sat in the corner with a yellow notepad doodling while he is finishing the rest of his deposition. Or I'd go to... Watch his trial. I saw lots of closing arguments.

And so I got to see firsthand courtroom stories. I mean, any of these people who've been in trial litigation, they're all wonderful storytellers. So you get to hear that and hear how they ask questions before they say they give an answer. And so you get to...

And so I got to see firsthand courtroom stories. I mean, any of these people who've been in trial litigation, they're all wonderful storytellers. So you get to hear that and hear how they ask questions before they say they give an answer. And so you get to...

Really, I had a first-row view of how litigation happens and how to persuade and what are the levers in conversation that push that forward progress.

Really, I had a first-row view of how litigation happens and how to persuade and what are the levers in conversation that push that forward progress.

Where some people would teach you how to play an instrument, I tell you what chords to play. I give you the sheet music. And so once you know where you are, even in your voice, what matters are the actual words that you say.

Where some people would teach you how to play an instrument, I tell you what chords to play. I give you the sheet music. And so once you know where you are, even in your voice, what matters are the actual words that you say.

And I can change two sentences, two words, and change your life just by what you decide to say next because where you've been in your whole life comes down to your communication and how you handle conflict. Where you left one relationship because of most likely some type of communication led you to another or where you are in your job or where you are in a podcast.

And I can change two sentences, two words, and change your life just by what you decide to say next because where you've been in your whole life comes down to your communication and how you handle conflict. Where you left one relationship because of most likely some type of communication led you to another or where you are in your job or where you are in a podcast.

It all comes down to what you've communicated and where you are in the conversation at all times.

It all comes down to what you've communicated and where you are in the conversation at all times.

I think you could almost get to wherever you wanted to go if you were a 10 out of 10 communicator. How you get hired for jobs, let's say in your career, comes down almost exclusively to how you communicated right there in that interview. You know people who have a wonderful resume, right? but they have no ability to communicate that.

I think you could almost get to wherever you wanted to go if you were a 10 out of 10 communicator. How you get hired for jobs, let's say in your career, comes down almost exclusively to how you communicated right there in that interview. You know people who have a wonderful resume, right? but they have no ability to communicate that.