Jefferson Fisher

And I was thinking about all the people that I know that if we were having a conversation about your book doing really, really well, the first response to that would be,

their mention of their own book.

Like they would immediately bring it straight back to something about them.

And I was wondering, some of those people I just have in the category of just being a little bit insecure and that they just, you know, they're in a search for validation.

So I'm wondering where you think the line might be between sort of narcissistic behavior and just like extremely insecure.

Maybe there's not a line.

Maybe extreme insecurity is narcissism.

Both can be true.

What is the reason why they couldn't prey on you?

What did you do as defense to stop their games, their typical games working on you?

I was watching Dame Dash on The Breakfast Club.

I don't know if you've seen it.

Another Breakfast Club.

Dame Dash is on there because he filed for bankruptcy and Charlemagne is sat there.

I've actually interviewed both Dame and Charlemagne.

And Charlemagne is very relaxed and every once in a while just tells Dame Dash that he thinks he's broke.

And then Dame Dash is very hot-headed and trying to prove all the reasons why he's not broken, really gassing himself.

And it's an interesting video to watch, I think.

It's the more recent one that came out within the last year because it does show, in my view, how to deal with someone who has a significant ego, which is Charlemagne just never changes state.

Like no matter what the volume is, no matter how much emotion, no matter when he starts calling him some quite personal insults, Charlemagne's demeanor, his tone, his posture doesn't change.