Jefferson Fisher

That's right.

These old souls, right, that you didn't really have, like me, like we didn't really have it.

You didn't really have a childhood.

You know, there's gaps of your life that you had to be the little parent, the little spouse.

You had to take on opportunity.

You had to take on things.

You had to forego other enjoyment for the work that was ahead.

And I find a lot of these principles that you teach,

are lessons that are straight out of your life and how you do things now.

No, not a bad thing at all.

No.

When I read that you were the oldest of four, I was like, okay, a lot of this is making sense here.

I think anybody who's the oldest child, you kind of have that old soul mentality of, you know, your parents didn't have to, I mean, they didn't have to ask me to do anything.

You just did it.

You just did it.

It's very different from the youngest that we have.

So, yeah, I...

I relate to that and what I find is so instructive to me and everyone is that if you think that opportunities should be just put on your plate, that's the wrong thinking.

It's the wrong thinking.

You have to grab your own plate