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Jefferson Fisher

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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

And I realized that what would end up happening is I just wouldn't come into the bedroom.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

I'd like go and do it in the toilet or the shower, or I just like, I wouldn't come to bed if I needed to do something on my phone.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

And so the conversation went where I was like, I realized in this moment that I had to kind of like,

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

not lay down on this issue because I would disappoint her in the future.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

I was setting myself up to fail in the future.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

If I accepted this and made her some kind of promise, agreed that I wasn't going to touch my phone ever again in the bedroom.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

And so that was one such example where I'm like, I think I actually need to stand my ground a bit here or I'm setting myself up for a future expectation I can't meet.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

So in that moment, what did you think her need was?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

Her need was connection.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

And she was interpreting me being on the phone in that space as a disconnection in some way.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

And could it possibly be perceived as that?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

100%.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

But it wasn't the phone.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

It was her not feeling connected.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

In my view, at that moment in time, in that particular week, because I was so busy in that particular week, that I think she was trying to find a symptom or a tool or a guarantee or a promise to express...

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

The feeling of disconnection.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

So that's why I look back on it and go, it was actually something else.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

That was just a symptom of a feeling she had at that moment in time, probably.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

Right.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Gaslighting & Conversation Expert: This Is A Sign You’ll Divorce in 10 Years!

But that was an example where, like, if I'd conceded, it would not have been sustainable.