Jefferson Fisher

There's no words I can give you, Catherine, that's going to make them say, yes, I forgive you.

Here's the thing I want to stick in your heart.

Number one, apologies.

while they are for the other person, that it is more a spoken acknowledgement by you that I have remorse, regret, that I have done something, that my behavior, my actions, my words have caused.

I acknowledge that.

I see that, and I'm affirming that, and I want to let you know that I am sorry for that.

I made a mistake, and I seek your forgiveness.

Now, forgiveness

is not a requirement for apology.

Okay, you've apologized.

That is your action.

Forgiveness is theirs.

And by this person saying, you know what?

No, just let bygones be bygones.

I'm telling you, Catherine, that's not somebody that I would really want to be associated with, to be honest.

That's them not...

If they can't see themselves in something, what they say is they're so concerned about everybody else and their wrongs, rather than being concerned with yours.

That's there's an incongruence there.

And that to me is, is not okay.

So what do we, what do we do with that?