Jefferson Fisher

We're not going to be on our phones in a restaurant.

You know, everyone people watches a little bit in restaurants.

So I'm not going to pretend we don't.

But we will be in a restaurant, and we just sometimes play a little game where we kind of guess how long people have been together based on how they're behaving.

Oh, I like that.

Yeah, that's fun.

And so it tends to be the case that it's the younger couples

where there's a man and a woman and they're both on their phone.

And I just can't believe what I'm seeing.

Yeah, it's pretty wild.

I got my phone a lot.

But if I'm on a date, I am not going to be sat there looking at a screen while she's sat there looking at a screen just in total silence.

Even if I've known this woman for 35 years.

So that was point number two, which was reducing distraction and therefore increasing presence.

I mean, you just kind of discount it.

I notice there's such power in when someone asks you a question, taking a moment to think.

And actually sometimes I notice some people will actually say, let me just think about that.

And the minute they do that, I am immediately doing the opposite of discounting what they say.

I'm now actually at bated breath to think about, to hear this very thoughtful, considered thing they're about to share with me.

Whereas you see a lot of people do the opposite.