Jefferson Fisher

I think that's a true feeling.

No, there's a reason why that doesn't feel all the way complete to you and that bygones be bygones is not good enough.

And I agree because that's just going to be something that is unspoken in this relationship.

And so I would be totally open and encouraging of the conversation of...

bygones be bygones is not enough for me.

That's not gonna be something that sits well with me.

There is either gonna be some sort of forgiveness and amends that is complete, or we're gonna understand that this is gonna be a rift and a rupture until you're ready, because there's certain things that are going to take time.

So I don't think you've done anything wrong in wanting to apologize.

I think that's, of course, the bigger move.

I'm not also willing to say truly, Catherine, that them not wanting to accept the gift forgiveness right at that moment is all the way wrong either.

Sometimes forgiveness takes a lot of time.

And there's all things to be said of living in amends and being able to continue to

do the best that you can.

I think there's a place where both things can be true.

So what you're doing, I think is exactly what you need to be doing.

I would just encourage you to know that their forgiveness is not required for your healing.

Thanks, Catherine.

Before we keep going, I wanna talk to you a moment about Cozy Earth.

I love Cozy Earth.

Well, in fact, you don't even need to hear from me.