Jefferson Fisher

It's like the issue is not the milk being spilt, right?

It's always something else, something deeper.

So at this point, I'm guessing, Joanna, it's not about the cards.

It's about something deeper.

And where I would want you to focus your mind

is I assume you're wanting to find ways to help her.

You're wanting to talk with her, wanting her to share her pain, to be able to empathize with that.

When I think of something that I can possibly offer to help what a hard and complex and deep conversation and issue that you're having, what comes to mind for me

is a place and a mindset for you where you can look at your daughter and say, my love for you is big enough.

My love is big enough to hold your pain.

Like, like my love for you is big enough to hold all of your pain.

to know that she can lash out and maybe even words and express and not know where to turn all this grief and this anger and all this emotion and that you can be that safe place without coming at her with condemnation or punishment or telling her how she should feel about certain things.

I think there's a place for you where you can say, I support these things and I cannot support these things.

And both can be true.

I can support you.

When you need somebody to talk to, I can support you.

When you need somebody, a shoulder to cry on, when you're confused and you need to hear a voice.

And for me, just listen, I can support you.

And I cannot support you when you steal my credit cards, when you lie to me, when you take my debit card, when you're abusing the very kindness and love that I'm giving you, I cannot support that.

Because understand you not supporting that