Jeffrey Ladish

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · Reward Hacking by Reasoning Models & Loss of Control Scenarios w/ Jeffrey Ladish of Palisade Research, from FLI Podcast · 2 Apr 2025 podcast

Yeah, so I I sort of divide up scenarios into maybe two buckets.

So, you know, I I'm I I think of these things as sort of loss of control scenarios.

And you might think of sort of an acute loss of control scenario and maybe a more gradual loss of control scenario.

I don't know, have you Gus, have you read Snow Crash?

I haven't actually.

I know about it, but I haven't read it.

It's it's a great novel by Neil Stevenson.

I mean it depicts this sort of like dystopian future where governments have sort of crumbled and it's just giant corporations that sort of rule the world.

I mean they've like carved up the United States into different parts and you know, it's kind of comic com comical.

But these corporations have immense power and it's just like no one is really able to oppose them.

And so one one way to sort of think about what a gradual loss of control scenario looks like is that if

You had AI systems that w got increasingly agentic and increasingly smart, such that people more and more put them in charge of decision making.

So most of your CEOs became AI CEOs and most of your you know most of your political campaigns, even if they had a you know, someone was like the candidate was a human candidate running.

were managed by AI systems because they were so much better at the political strategy and they were so much better at the advertising and they could think so much faster and they could sort of, you know, inc incorporate more data.

And so even if in each of these situations you have some human pressing the OK button.

In fact, most of your decision making ends up being made by the AIs.

And you know, so one first one maybe one first question or first potential objection is like, Why the hell would we do this?

Like, doesn't that sound insane?

And I'm like, Well

You know, maybe, but I think people don't really appreciate sort of the how hard it is when you're in a very competitive environment and your competitors are automating their decision making.

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