Jeffrey Ladish

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · Reward Hacking by Reasoning Models & Loss of Control Scenarios w/ Jeffrey Ladish of Palisade Research, from FLI Podcast · 2 Apr 2025 podcast

And so there was an instance where a food corporation sort of like went to the Mexican government and is like, hey, you have these really powerful hacking tools that this Israeli company sold to you.

Can we just like borrow those?

And you know, I don't know what happened exactly, but but yes, in fact, this company got access to these tools.

And they were able to hack the phones of health activists who are sort of trying to like get lobby the government to like put health warnings on

on a bunch of sort of unhealthy foods.

These corporations didn't like that.

And so what the tools allowed them to do is, you know, if you have an iPhone and the iPhone has iMessage on it, this tool would basically send a text, an iPhone message to that phone, and that text contained a malformed attachment.

that basically would exploit some code in in the in the phone that when it was processing the message.

But you know, usually when you think of a phishing message, you're like, oh, there's a link.

And if I click on the link, something bad might happen.

But this had this this attack was a lot more advanced than that.

You didn't have to click on any link at all.

All that happened was when your phone got that message, something about the way the phone processed the message just resulted in the phone being totally hacked.

And then basically, you know, whoever was on the other end of that tool got complete access to your phone.

They could record you, they could, you know, grab any of your data, they could take pictures.

Basically that was that was it.

Yeah, that's wild.

That's absolutely wild.

I know, right?

And it and it deleted the message too.

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