Jeffrey Sachs

And so when Trump was elected in the first term, he ripped up the JCPOA.

This is the approach that you don't want them to have a nuclear weapon when you had the control?

No, this is the opposite.

This is, we need to change the regime because they humiliated the United States by escaping from our empire.

We tried to defeat them in many ways, but they stood up to it.

We need to defeat them.

There's an Israeli version, which is not exactly the same.

And the Israeli version is we need to have absolute control over the Middle East so that we can pursue our greater Israel agenda.

This is not exactly the US cause, but there are people in the US that are the backers of that distinct cause.

That's not Israel saying you escape from the American empire.

That's Israel saying we control almost all of the Middle East militarily.

But Iran, we don't yet control.

So that's the last big prize.

And that's the other part of this agenda right now and why Israel is even more against the off-ramp

than the United States.

Trump is against the off-ramp because he can't declare victory, because he would lose face, because he'd face pressure groups, because we have the Zionist lobby, I would call it, in the United States.

For Israel, the issue is

uh somewhat distinct but israel's main issue is that it wants complete military dominance

of West Asia and the Middle East and even into the Horn of Africa and North Africa.

And it almost has that.